HomeSeer HS-WD100+ and more (Simple DTH in post 27, advanced feature DTH in post 32)

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(Darren Glynn) #247

Has anyone been able to get their hands on these Dragon Tech version of these dimmers? Since before Christmas they have not been in anyone’s stock and one site even told me they don’t expect a shipment until March 2017. Any one else finding these? If so, where?

Thanks, -Darren


#248

I am testing a couple of the Homeseer Z-Wave Plus dimmers and comparing them to the GE Z-Wave dimmers. I like the Homeseers, however, I am trying to turn off the indicator lights and don’t appear to be able to using either of the common device managers to do this (one by darwinsden and another by erocm123), even though they have buttons that are supposed to be used for this purpose. Do those functions actually work in the device managers? I haven’t seen anyone comment either way. Did I use the appropriate installation method (i.e., controlling the switches through the device manager using the simulator)? Or, is there another way to connect the switches to the device manager?

Thanks for any thoughts or suggestions.

–EJ


(Jg506) #249

FYI for anyone how tries to expose these switches to HomeKit through homebridge-smarthings and JSON Complete API smartapp, this what I experienced:

  • DTH created by @erocm1231 partially works (can control but would not update state). While trying this I can confirm that this DTH works well for both the switch and dimmer, even though it is labeled for the dimmer only.
  • DTH created by @Darwin does not work at all (will not appear in iOS home app even when exposed through JSON smartapp)

#250

Big thanks to everyone here, with a special thanks to @JDRoberts @Darwin for all of your help and insights into dimmers. I’m currently running about a dozen WD100+ dimmers in my home and very happy with them. I am looking to add a few more dimmers and was wondering if anyone has any experience with the new GE Z-wave Plus 14294 dimmers, and knows how these compare to the homeseers?


(Jg506) #251

The GEs are great dimmers and switches but do not have native double taps and triple tap detection and reporting that HS has. In any other aspect the GE are better from HS because they run locally on the hub. Lighting automations have lower latency, and are not dependent on internet connection. For example if you do lighting automation w/ HS based on motion the light will turn on later than it would with GE. I had to relocate a couple of HS because of that. GE also work better with HomeKit (see my post above).
The switches are very similiar phisically and in opereation - the two diffrences you should be aware is in off state the GE has blue led compared to HS which is white, and the HS has led dimmer intensity indication on the switch which GE doesn’t


#252

As a note, the new GE Z-Wave Plus switches do support double tap natively. Obviously if you choose to use that option, you’ll need to use a custom DTH that will not run locally.


(Jg506) #253

EDIT: Thanks, agree. [incorrect and misleading information - deleted].


#254

The link below shows all of the DTHs that run locally (last I checked). All custom code is cloud based. The only SmartApps that run locally are SHM and Smart Lighting (and they are only truly local if the devices’ DTHs are local as well).


(Jg506) #255

EDIT - All custom devices do not run locally. I edited this post only to leave what’s true.

You are correct that only Lightning Automation and Home Monitor will run locally, but the Lightning Automation is such powerful smart app (I run most of my automatons using it) making it hardly a limitation.
The two prominent examples in my case are Xiamoi wireless switch (button) and Xiamoi and Ecobee motion sensors all of . I use them to turn lights on and off around the house. A press on a xiaomi switch will turn on (GE switched) light instantly (as fast as using the primary switch), but with homeseer as primary switch there is 1-3 seconds delay. Same experience with motion detection to turn on light - and these are all automations you can run using the Smart Lightning smartapp.


#256

That seems odd to me. Every custom DTH I use does not run locally. Only ones that use the DTHs in the list I supplied do, including my Ecobee devices.

Homeseer have a delay not because of local processing but because of triple tap functionality. The switches wait to see if you will press it multiple times. Also I don’t believe they support instant status. ZigBee reporting tends to be faster (thus the Xiaomi).

I’ve also seen odd cases of local processing being slower than cloud processing so delay is not a reliable indicator of cloud vs local processing.


(Jg506) #257

I stand corrected about local processing forcustom DTH.

The delay issue I have with HS is when controlling the switch programmatically such as triggering it with lightning automation. There is also delay for double tap and triple tap but my gripe is with the basic functionality compared to GE .


(Tam Tran) #258

There is a known issue with GE Z-wave Plus switch & dimmer not update correct status

I have tried GE, and stuck with this issue.
Just ordered some HomeSeer and waiting for them arrive to test and compare


(Jg506) #259

Good to know. The non plus ge (12772) are still available on Amazon and work flawlessly. I guess I’ll get few more before they run out. The homeseer will update status on the ST cloud (and ST mobile app) just not on the hub. One annoyance is that if you use iOS homebridge the status will be last status it knew (correct half of the times :slight_smile: )


(Jg506) #260

FWIW have just tested one of my homeseer switches and it no longer update the status in the app (others do). Maybe the zwave repair I did last week… Don’t know… these plus devices seem to have issues. I would stick to non plus devices till ST figure things out.


(Dale C) #261

They do have instant status. You can see some comparative specs here My HS-WD100+ switches have been pretty rock solid for me. Of course that is probably cuz I don’t use iOS HomeKit :wink:


#262

Thanks you’re right. It’s the Dragon Tech that look identical that apparently don’t have instant status. I have heard of users complaining about the Homeseer manual response time vs other switches (not the status to ST). Figure it must be the triple tap.


(Fernando) #263

Following the HOMESEER items, has anyone tried yet the HomeSeer Open/Close sensor HS-DS100+?


(Dale C) #264

Just a side note. They are tripping for a reason… You should be plugging those high amperage space heaters in a 20amp dedicated circuit per heater. The typical wall outlet is only non-dedicated 15amp circuits.


(Travis N) #265

Are the Z-wave products switches the same as the Dragontech & Homeseer? It was mentioned earlier in this thread that zwaveproducts.com was selling dragontech switches with updated firmware supporting the same scene features. All i see are self branded switches that appear to be the same as the dragontech/homeseer switches, but at a better price:

http://www.zwaveproducts.com/shop/z-wave-lighting/z-wave-wall-switches

Thanks!


#266

Based on the FCC ID in the manual for the Z wave products.com branded switch, they are just rebranding the DragonTech switch.

I didn’t see anything that specified the firmware level, though.