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HomeSeer HS-WD100+ and more (Simple DTH in post 27, advanced feature DTH in post 32)

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(Don) #228

Thanks again for the confirmation.

I have used all that before so I think I have my head wrapped around how to do it. Just need to order some switches.

If I would have understood that the GE dimmers didn’t report and known about this switch I would have went this way from the start. Self education can be expensive!! :slight_smile:


(Sean) #229

@dalec - Can you please explain a little further on how you are using the single press after the light switch is already on?

I’ve been using these switches/dimmers with Button Controller Plus, which gives me access to double, triple, and hold button functions. I’m also using CoRE to trigger actions from the switch turning on/off. How do I identify and make use of a single tap up when the switch is on, and a single tap down when the the switch is off? Thanks!


(Dale C) #230

[quote=“TN_Oldman, post:226, topic:44129”]
Or use it to control a ceiling fan light. Then use multiple taps to control the ceiling fan. So if light IA already on. Multi taps up to adjust fan speed.
[/quote]Aw snap! I just re-read exactly what you asked here. If I turn the switch OFF and it doesn’t seem to resend an OFF event? Here is how I tested; I have all three bulbs turn on/off with the HD100+ So I turn them OFF using the switch then turn only one smartbulb back ON using the MiniMote. If I tap the HD100+ (which is still in the OFF condition) a second time it is not triggering the one smart bulb to go OFF. So it seems this isn’t what you want?


(Dale C) #231

LOL we posted simultaneously


(Sean) #232

I asked about this behavior on the HomeSeer forum and received this response from one of the developers:

I assume you are using HomeSeer with an event trigger to detect the paddle press? Use the “set on” trigger. This will trigger when you press the top of the paddle, even if the switch is already on.

So I gather that the switch does indeed send a signal from a single tap event when in the corresponding on/off state. I just don’t know how to find and use that signal in SmartThings. Anyone with more knowledge care to comment? Finding this would make my automations work much better.


(Dale C) #233

@Darwin I think would have an answer for this so I’ll try to pull him in to investigate this from his device handler being able to do it but maybe the guys over in the CoRE thread will be needed as well.


#234

As long as the switch firmware is able to signal the events as HomeSeer states, the device handler should still send an on or off “physical” event when pressed regardless of whether the switch is currently on or off.

I’m not able to test this right now, but if this doesn’t work with the current device handler for some reason, it sounds like we’ll be able to get it working fairly easily based on HomeSeer’s response.


(Sean) #235

Thanks for the reply. This is how I’m currently using single taps in CoRE:

Switch List
*_Bedroom Light switch_
Comparison
* _Changes to_
Value
* _on_

It works great to trigger stuff when changing on/off state. But it sounds like there is another “event” that is sent with physical presses that could be useful when not changing state. We just need to identify what it is so it can be used. …or basically exactly what you just said!


(Don) #236

Wow great info and participation.

I didn’t mean this to snowball, but I am very glad it is. I am anxious to learn more.

I would REALLY like to be able to catch these manual switch events and use it in CoRE. As I’m sure others would too. Not the on /off or off/on. The on to on, or on to multi on. Off to off or off to multi off. Opens huge possibilities for me.

I just don’t have one to play with and help with the discussion / investigation. :frowning:

Would the switch not see the ON to “multi tap in ON direction” as a scene command? Ect… and possibly I could capture that scene command in core to be a trigger?


#237

Yes, the device handler currently see these as scene commands and then sends a physical on or off event regardless of the current status of the physical relay. What I don’t know is if there is any way currently for CoRE to trigger based on an on or off ‘physical’ event that may or may not be associated with a change to the switch on or off state, similar to how HomeSeer describes this operation. Tagging @ady624.

Regardless, unless there are any unforeseen gotchas, it should be a simple matter for me to add two more buttons for the single tap up down cases. I would probably add these to the end as buttons 7 and 8 so it won’t mess up anyone’s existing automations.


(Dale C) #238

Hey I forgot I haven’t been able to update to the latest HomeSeer firmware since I don’t have the HomeSeer system. I am still using the original release firmware so my tests might not be valid?


(Don) #239

So then you could use smartthings (hopefully CoRE) to capture these scene commands and operate other devices (fans, lights, plugs. Ect…)


(Sean) #240

I would love to see this implemented. I have some issues with things staying in sync because I’m using some of these switches without a local load, controlling just smart bulbs. When the bulbs get turned on via automations rather than from the switch, I can’t turn them back off at the switch. I’ve mitigated this as much as I can with rules in CoRE but it’s not perfect. Additionally, I can see having the single tap useful for a range of other activities if it were available.

Thanks for looking into this @Darwin!


#241

I created a new thread with the released/latest version of the HS-WD100+ and HS-WS100+ device handlers. The latest versions include single tap up/down buttons (7 & 8) that will be reported regardless of whether the switch is currently on or off, and a preference option in the dimmer to set the level to 25% after a double-press down. Thanks all for the great input.

https://community.smartthings.com/t/release-homeseer-dimmer-and-switch-hs-wd100-hs-ws100-device-handlers/?source_topic_id=44129

(Rob H) #242

I am wondering, if I only want the physical double and triple tap in certain locations in my house do I only require the homeseer switches where I want this functionality??

Can I use ge or some other less expensive switchs for in the other areas?? Can the homeseer switch include other brands of switches in their double and triple tap groupings?

Example: can I have a switch at the front door that if I triple tap it turns off all the z-Wave switches, plugs, etc? Or do I need to have homeseer only switches if I want them included in the central scene groupings???
Thanks, love this forum and plan on buying new Nvidia shield once smartthings are available.


#243

When you double tap a specific homeseer switch, it sends a central scene command to the SmartThings hub, and that then gets processed by a smart app which tells the hub to send the appropriate messages to whatever devices are in the group. This is one of the advantages of using SmartThings. The other devices could be any other Z wave device, it could be a zigbee device, it could be a Wi-Fi device. As long as SmartThings can talk to it, it can be in the group. So in that sense, the other devices can be pretty much anything you want which has a radio to talk to SmartThings and can receive a command.

That does leave out some things. The GE auxiliary switches, for example, don’t have a radio at all – – they are designed only to work with a GE master switch and communicate by physical traveler wires to that master.

But other master switches of any protocol that are controllable by smart things could be included in the group. :sunglasses:


(Rob H) #244

So, other the the different look, there is no real flawed logic in this approach? Seems that most people put the GE as the runner-up in most comparisons. JD what other zwave switch would you suggest to pair with these homeseer’s if not the GE? I am planning on waiting for the new GE Z-wave plus 14294 to become available before doing the mass buy for the house but the GE z-wave plus 14291 just started being available now so will prob start watching for sales. Thanks for the info JD, I am looking forward to joining the smartthings family soon!

I was looking at the Lutron Castea line as I know they are built very well, but the bridge and technology seems flawed for a 2 storey as my understanding is the switches are not repeaters and you are supposed to be within 30-40 feet of a bridge? I was excited to see the smartthings compatibility kinda announced at CES but this non active repeater seems like it would be doomed to fail. Unless I am not understanding the tech properly?


#245

Lutron Caseta now allows one of their plug in pocket sockets ( but so far only one per Lutron smart bridge) to be used as a repeater to extend the range of their Devices. That’s new as of December 2016. I really like the Lutron Caseta line and use them in my own house, but there’s no smartthings integration yet. One was announced at CES 2017 this month, but it will be a cloud to cloud integration and a lot of people don’t want to have to buy the second bridge.

As far as which other zwave switches to use, the GE are a very popular value Switch. Different brands have different features, so it just depends on what features you want.

Z wave light switch discussion starts around post 40 in the following thread. :sunglasses:


(Brian Aker) #246

After testing, and now running my Dragon Tech switches with the firmware mentioned earlier in this thread, I can tell you that everything works just fine.


(Darren Glynn) #247

Has anyone been able to get their hands on these Dragon Tech version of these dimmers? Since before Christmas they have not been in anyone’s stock and one site even told me they don’t expect a shipment until March 2017. Any one else finding these? If so, where?

Thanks, -Darren