Features that Don’t Have Parity with Classic [Feb 2021]

  1. Yeah, annoyingly the new app seems to treat “no motion for X minutes” as “no motion, wait and check again in X minutes”.
  2. Is Android only
  3. Can’t say i’ve had this problem
  4. is still true for some countries, but it works in Canada now

For 9., That is also the case for Google as well as Alexa.


Great post, very clear and constructive.


The new app is not available for installation on many of even Samsung’s own entry level phones/tablets rendering the platform unusable. Either correct, or develop a less restricted app so that all who buy Samsung products can utilize SmattThings.

  1. cannot change the icons for Devices
  2. for a multi capability device, cannot specify which capability is highlighted on the tile.

Both of these can be accomplished easily for custom devices using ocfDeviceType and the CLI to edit the json. It’s built in device handlers that cannot be customized in this way

  1. Multi button devices, both zigbee and Z wave, frequently lack support for all but one button. There are some DTH changes that can help with this, but there doesn’t seem to be an official writeup anywhere of what the required changes are.

Each button has to be a child device.

There is more to it than that, though, as many of the existing DTHs already do have a child device for each button, but they don’t work in the new app.

There are multiple threads discussing this issue in the forum already, so I’d rather not go into the details here.

Here is just one example of one DTH that was eventually updated to work.

However, I have seen at least two different methods for updating these, and again, nothing official to explain what updates are required. Just lots of community members trying to figure it out.

Assigning multiple values to one button is in my opinion not the correct way to do it. If you do it this way, I believe it will only work correctly with apps like smart lighting, webcore, or ABC.

This is the correct way to do it. Four buttons with two values. It will allow you to set the actions for each via the detail view.

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I just wish the Smartlighting app would allow choosing the colour temp to whatever the bulb can actually be set to , the same way automations allow, and not the preselected few choices that smartlighting presently allows.

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Inability to use temperatures below -20C or above +50C in automations.

This isn’t specific to the new app though

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Ah, okay. I didn’t try it on old app. So in this regard, old app was crippled too.

(doing that isn’t the easiest of things)

Once you have the CLI setup it can be done very quickly. The issue for me was getting it set up properly.

Phone as Presence Sensor does not show as a Device.
No way to reset kWh Meter using stock Power Monitor Plug
No way to send to specific “Members” without using Text (Contacts)
Linked Places only work on Samsung Phones


I think the concept of “present“ has changed. Is there any functionality lost because the phone doesn’t show as a device?

No way to send to specific “Members” without using Text (Contacts)

I’m sorry, I don’t understand this one. how is it different from the functionality in classic? :thinking:

Locations only work on Samsung Phones

Can you be more detailed on this?

Currently, you can not see when a person is home, away, time stamps, etc. Of course there is a work around for this by adding a Virtual Presence and using webCoRE to mimic behavior. But, then there’s the issue of using that in rules as well…

Contacts (I know, I know that it was no longer in the Classic App when retired but was still very, very, very useful and should be included in New App) allowed the ability to select specific users that would get notifications. Now you have to use text if you wanted to send notifications to specific people only.

Locations, I meant “Linked Places” which only works with Samsung Phones


The mobile presence devices do appear in the API so their state and history are freely available. Also they can be used in the Rules API. It just seems to be in the app that they are being wrapped up as Member Locations.

I feel there must be more to come from the whole ‘Member’ thing, but I’ve been saying that for a year or so now.

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This I know but still, in the Classic App, their was a “Family Tab” once upon a time that was very useful to get a glimpse of who was home or not at a glance. Even had a cool, “This person arrived at blah blah” or “This person left at blah blah”…now, you have to go through multiple steps to get the same info. So, IMHO, it’s broken.


Device activity history doesn’t show what automation triggered the device (i.e. webcore piston, smartlighting automation etc), making troubleshooting a nightmare…


Control, communication and graphics from my Z-Wave TRV’S (Danfoss).

Can’t change the temp via the app, only with the buttons on the TRV, “no communication” error msg.

The graphics (histogram?) in the app for temperature fail, several hours missing data.