Oh if the arrival sensor does not run local? that might explain some of the behavior I experienced.
So, the lock runs local, are there any sensors that run local that one would use with a lock?
What I mean is take the kitchen in which lights and motion sensors all run local. Motion works great, lights can be completely automated.
Logically, what sensor would one use with a lock? Motion would be bad, right, anyone can trigger motion?
Zigbee button
The ST arrival sensor does run local. I can see it in the IDE
The first gen does. The second gen does not.
That’s the first gen. The newer one uses Type “arrival sensor HA”
Sorry no. First gen is the round one. Mine is the Gen 2
interesting. appears its using the wrong handler then
Aren’t there claimed to be three versions? The original Presence Sensor which was bigger and rounder, a 2015 Presence/Arrival Sensor which was the same thing recased, and supposedly a 2016 Arrival Sensor which I can’t find any specific documentation for as the links break or lead to the 2015 one. The 2016 supposedly uses the Arrival Sensor HA handler.
I’ve got three and they all use the Arrival Sensor handler. All three look like the photos of the Arrival Sensor currently on sale. Although they are all second hand, I’d be surprised if one wasn’t purchased new in the last eighteen months.
Super happy to report they did update the generic “Z-Wave Water Valve” device to run locally. Now all my leak sensors and my Dome water shutoff along with my Smart Home Monitor “Leaks” routine all run locally.
Really hope work is done to support other local devices, hopefully even some 3rd party ones like Konnected or ST_Anything if possible. Would put everything I own under local control (other then cloud integration of course).
EDIT: except for one KwikSet zigbee lock. The two I have using Z-Wave run local but for some reason the generic ZigBee Lock runs in the cloud. Really weird. I also have the “Arrival Sensor HA” whcih is cloud based. Again weird.
My KwikSet zigbee lock runs locally.
you just have to use standard handler
I am. There are two, “ZigBee Lock” and “ZigBee Lock Without Codes”. The former is cloud and allows user code entry within SmartThings, the latter is local but takes away that ability. Both Z-Wave locks are using the standard DTH also and those run local and I can change the codes.
If I switch to the “ZigBee Lock Without Codes” it does run locally but takes it out of the lock manager.
I just bought a Z-Wave module to replace the ZigBee one for $34 on eBay and I’ll put my ZigBee one in my dads “non-smart” KwikSet 911 to make it smart. So problem solved.
Thank you for your great and interesting work. By the way, what “Arrival Sensor” you confirmed to be able for local processing? I’m new to ST and I’m using Samsung SmartThings Arrival Sensor M/N: “STS-PRS-250” and it shown as “Cloud”. I always have trouble using it when Internet outage situations.
The previous generation runs local. The current one (Arrival Sensor HA) does not.
Thanks for the information. So, where can I find that thing (SmartSense Presence Tag Gen 1)? Is there any other substitution things that can run local?
Hey @vseven, so can you please confirm that your water valve closes when water is detected; even without internet? I am setting up a system with a z-wave valve and 6 Samsung Leak Sensors. The valve closes just fine when I have internet, but it does not close when I turn my router off.
Thanks for the help
Its going to be based on your valve, the sensors run locally, the program can run locally, but the valve needs to also. I use a Dome valve which runs locally and it’s been a while since I tested it but last time I did it closed without internet access.
OK. Great Thanks Allan,
I was using a generic z wave switch before. It indicates in the IDE that they all run locally, but who know.
I have a new valve coming, a EcoNet valve, which should run locally. I will try it tomorrow and report back
Yup, it works offline with the EcoNet valve. Its strange because both the light switch and the valve indicated local processing, but I guess there is something else going on in the background that prevented it from working. My original plan was to use a switch for the pump, but a valve works just fine as well
