Den UK Lightswitches

Why did they have to make these WiFi.

I’m still waiting for a switch and dimmer Z-wave unit that can go behind any faceplate

As in an actual dimmer and switch module. Not an “add-on”

For clarification, a grid like dimmer with Z-Wave built in

https://cdn.ukelectricalsupplies.com/product-images/49872/collingwood-halers-dm298grid-led-mains-grid-dimmer-switch-1-large.jpg

My Questions

So, My questions to you.

  1. Are you using an industry standard ( Zigbee / Z-Wave )

  2. Do you support Energy Monitoring

  3. Does the light switch need a neutral feed?

  4. Can the light switch work with CFL light bulbs (Not a problem, But would solve my Kitchen lighting issue )

Response

Natasha Khattak (Den)

Feb 23, 15:04 GMT

Hey Gary,

Thanks for your enquiry and apologies for the delayed reply. Over the last few months, we’ve received a huge volume of enquiries from the public which caused some delays.

In response to your questions;

  1. Den products talk to each other using ZigBee wireless technology, however, you communicate with the hub using Wi-Fi.

  2. Yes, each individual socket outlet contains power consumption monitors, so you can see what’s using the most juice! Use our app to monitor how much energy your appliances are using and see where you can save! (Our products use minimal energy as they are powered by ZigBee.)

  3. We use novel and proprietary technology which means that we don’t require a neutral wire in the back box. Our switches will be direct replacements for your existing light switches and work with standard UK lighting circuits.

  4. Yes, Den’s light switches will work with CFL bulbs, but we recommend using LED bulbs to reduce your energy consumption.

Den will officially be launching into the UK market at the end of April 2018, along with our stunning bespoke app.

Our products will be available from leading UK electrical wholesalers and retailers. You’ll be able to pre-order them through our new website which we plan to launch in the coming week.

We’re continuing to work exceptionally hard and hope you’re as excited as we are.

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Those light switches look ideal, shame they need a hub, I’ve got too many hubs.

SmartThings uses the Zigbee Home Automation profile (ZHA 1.2)

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Hi All,

I got in contact with Den.

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Den products talk to each other using a standard ZigBee 3.0 profile.

It takes a huge amount of resource to get these things talking but we’ve designed our products to work with both Amazon’s Echo and Google Home. We do not plan to ever have an open API so you would not be able to connect to other systems but we are working towards being compatible with Apple HomeKit in the future.
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Question: Does anyone know if there will be any problem to have in the same house and network both ST hub and Den hub since they both use ZigBee?

The pricing of Den looks very good compared to what is out in the market.

“Kleverness” Products will also be released in the future but double the price. They will be supporting ST.

Regards
Alex

I have a Google Home so being able to talk to this shouldnt be a problem as SmartThings is hooked up to that?

I have been trying to find the prices of the Den Automation but cant find anything. Can you point me in the right direction?

Hi Russel. They told me that next month they will start pre-orders from their website. We have to wait and see for the prices.

What I do not know is if the hub Den has creates any issues in the network since Smartthings hub also supports Zigbee. Maybe its not possible to have two zigbee hubs in the same network and area.
I am waiting to see if anyone will reply on this.

I actually found their prices on their crowdfunding website. (That is if they keep these prices for the general market)

This the text of an email I sent to DEN.

Hi there,
I’m interested in your product and would like to know what ZigBee profile you are using.
I have a SmartThings hub that uses ZHA 1.2 and if you devices use this I may be able to connect them directly into the hub.
Thanks,
Bob.

Here is the response.

Hey Bob

Thanks for your enquiry,

Den products talk to each other using standard 3.0 ZigBee technology, however, you communicate with the hub using Wi-Fi.

It takes a huge amount of resource to get these things talking but we’ve designed our products to work with both Amazon’s Echo (Alexa) and Google Home.
We do not plan to ever have an open API so you would not be able to connect to other systems but we are working towards being compatible with Apple HomeKit in the future.

I’ll keep save your details in our database and keep you updated!

Please send us an email if you have any further questions.

Thank you

Peace and Love
Team Den

Hmmmmm…

They are not listed on the official zigbee alliance website as having certified zigbee 3.0 devices.

That site isn’t always up-to-date, but I would ask them for a copy of their certification.

http://www.zigbee.org/zigbee-products-2/

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Hey guys!

Hope you’re all doing well :slightly_smiling_face:

Yasser here, Founder at Den! After more than 3 years of development, we finally began shipping products to customers this week! Products are now available to purchase from our site with next day delivery. Feedback has been incredible!

Here’s a link to our site www.getden.co.uk

Let know if you have any questions!

Lots of love!
Yasser

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Can you confirm what they are compatible with?

  • Smarthings?
  • HomeKit?
  • Alexa?
  • Google Home?

There are lots of people waiting to flood Den with purchases based on the answers to this question! Come on Yassa please.

3 days and no answer from Den. I hope its not another closed system where the creators expect you to lock your self in to their ecosystem. Very 1990s if so.

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They don’t seem to process orders very well either… now approaching 4 working days and not even a despatch notice… ho hum

Compatible with:

  • Amazon Alexa (up and running)
  • Google Home (waiting for approval, next 1-2 weeks)

Coming Soon

  • HomeKit
  • IFTTT

Thanks
Yasser

Hey Robin

Yes we are working on this - expecting to ship these in May 19

Thanks
Yasser

Replied :slight_smile: Let me know if you have anymore questions!

Kevin - I cant write a separate message as listed to 3 per topic. I am very sorry to hear this, very odd. We sent hundreds of orders out last week. Please can you email me your details via yasser@getden.co.uk and I will get this sorted immediately.

Thanks
Yasser