Another one bites the dust - My 2014 to 2021 ride has ended

I more or less had the same experience.

I have a DSC panel and an Evisalink 3 interface. The integration consisted in a few lines in the main YAML configuration file to tell HA where to find the DSC panel and what the various partitions, zones, contacts, etc were. I do not use the alarm panel as an alarm but just as sensor input for automations so I did not look further into arming/disarming/etc however from what I read it is totally doable and automatable. I believe @nathancu mentioned an integration he used that might set most of that up.

There are scripts, automations, Node Red, and likely more options. A lot can be done via the UI, but if that limits you, you can often switch to the YAML code and edit it from there. Node Red seems to extend far beyond HA so it has a large user base. I am just starting to learn how to program in it. My first very basic automation was astonishingly simple in NR (took two separate Smart Lighting automations in ST). The hardest bit for me was that watching videos from just a few months ago to do things in NR, differed quite a bit from what I was seeing due to the improvements they are quickly making to it. Turns out the ā€˜flow’, as it is called in NR, became simpler with the added improvements.

Yes, the app is way more complete than the Hubitat one which is one big reason I did not adopt the HE platform. However, unless I am missing something, I think I will have to develop a small screen and big screen dashboard. Some nice to have controls on a tablet or desktop would take way too much space on a phone screen. I don’t want to replicate ST’s mistakes do I?? :wink: The default tool for the UI is Lovelace but I also added the Grafana integration which I have not looked into yet. Not sure whether it adds to Lovelace or can replace it… Every time I have seen something done in Grafana it looked awesome so I will surely do something with it. Who doesn’t want some eye candy in their home automation setup?? :stuck_out_tongue:

ST might come through and have similar replacements, probably way beyond whatever their promises/plans are, but we’ve gotten used to that :wink: The way I see it is that you still have to relearn the ST platform so I figured I could put that effort into something I know is already up an running which can do a lot more of what I want. HA is not for everyone as it is indeed a lot of work, but the rewards should also be commensurate.

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I might have little reason to visit but I should still get the notifications on mentions, etc. I am not planning on getting rid of ST at this point just in case I see reasonable opportunities for integration. I am still wanting to buy smart appliances which will likely require ST (maybe not the hub itself) so who knows…

I am still a Samsung and ST fan. Just because a solution doesn’t fit my needs/wants doesn’t make it bad in my view. Sometimes I speak out of frustration as I just want things to work but I also understand the complexity of what ST set out to do…

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I suppose I managed to omit my point of, at least at the time of my posting, that there was no official word on the lift of the device limitation, effectively pushing veterans who had over 200 devices away.

But yeah, I think, especially now, there is quite a bit to be hopeful about.

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What integration did you use? I have a DSC panel and EVL3

It was the core integration you mentioned. Once it’s setup the panel just showed up… I wrote a quickie Node Red Flow to sync it with what I’m using to replace LocationMode and Boom.

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Too little too late. I already started moving in what will end up being a 2-3 week process. I’m NOT getting on that ladder again to reset sensors anytime soon.

At this point I get to see if they stabilize the ST platform and try HA

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I understand, you can’t turn this boat around when you are that close to the other shore.

I appreciate the insight with HA.

Not that I’m ready to make the move, but does HA happen to have support for Ecosmart remotes? :crossed_fingers:

Don’t have any, but there was a bug in the ZHA add in (one of the two major Zigbee providers) specifically talking about them - it was closed - fixed in May. Ecosmart remotes not working in ZHA anymore (0.110.0b0 +) Ā· Issue #35661 Ā· home-assistant/core (github.com)

So regardless I’d say it’s actively developed.

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Nice, I think I have 32. So, that’s good to know.

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Yes I moved several months ago and definitely miss the community here the most, especially your advice @JDRoberts.

I’m sure Smartthings isn’t thrilled with this thread, and has censored ones like it in the past. I started a new thread on the home assistant community and would be happy to talk about a dual Smartthings/home assistant setup or fully switching over on their forum. Although their community forum isn’t as ā€œwarm and fuzzyā€ as this one, their members mean well and are helpful if you follow their guidelines

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This is an interesting topic for those considering a new solution. I have about 150 devices, and I have been relatively happy with SmartThings and have no intention of moving. However, since I have an Intel NUC lying around, gathering dust, I decided to install Home Assistant to play with in my spare time. It immediately discovered my Philips Hue. What happens if I configure Philips Hue in Home Assistant? Will I lose my connection to SmartThings? I do not want to disrupt SmartThings.

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In network engineering terms, Philips Hue is ā€œpromiscuous,ā€ although .I suppose a more modern term would be polyamorous. It accepts multiple network partners, so there’s no problem connecting it to multiple HA platforms at the same time.

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I can’t speak specifically on Philips Hue, but this happened to me with Wemo and Kasa devices. Those were cloud connected to Smartthings and auto discovered by Home Assistant. I had no issues still controlling the plugs in both Smartthings and Home Assistant after the auto discovery. Although, using the Smartthings integration in Home Assistant created duplicate entities for each plug. I just disabled the duplicate entities Smartthings created in Home Assistant and used the entities discovered by the wemo and kasa integrations instead since they were locally controlled vs cloud controlled.

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Have they fixed the power-loss no boot issue on the Argon One cases?

I mean, when the Argon One came out, the most ridiculous feature of the case was, that it was not powering on the device on the power-loss scenario, but it had to be physically powered on again, by pressing the power button. And that basically killed the common sense use as an IoT equipment. Has that issue been fixed?

I want to add as someone who hasn’t come into this community in a while that ST is definitely a great stepping stone into real home automation, but it doesn’t hold a candle to a robust HA installation.

I am now at 42 integrations with over 500 devices with over 1500 entities, purely due to the insane amount of integrations. Not everything is local, but everything that CAN BE local, is. And it’s fast, like less than 2s to distribute color change commands to 37 Inovelli LED bars fast. And now Zwave JS has multicast so it’s as fast as the furthest trip to the furthest switch (~160ms for me).

I have over 270 automations, 3 massive node red flows (for the complicated stuff like security), and it all runs on my unraid server 24/7/365. It really has allowed my smarthome to get where I wanted it, and with the recent energy dashboard I can see my usage from my grid provider and see individual device utilization for any device with a power OR energy tracking sensor.

ST got me addicted, HA is the end-all of true home automation. Most of the big players (Linus included now) are moving over, and essentially none regret it.

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I think you and I moved over about the same time. I find their discord server to be friendly and the forums to be ā€œwe already answered this, see aboveā€ style. I agree @JDRoberts helps everyone every time and no one can match that, but try out the discord for sure.

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Yes it has. It now has a jumper to select whether it should be always on or on after pressing button. Either way, I solved that issue with a tiny arduino that turned on power to the Argon One upon power. Overkill? Sure, but it was fun to do and it fit neatly inside the case. I also added an RTC soldered inside the case so my 2 Pi-Holes also provide local RTC based NTP.

Found a picture… Near the power button I put a mosfet controlled by a digital output of the Arduino to pull a line low or high, can’t recall, in essence acting as the button. Upon each power up, the arduino would send out the required pulse at the right time to turn the RPI on. You could still use the button too. The other item is a small RTC and the red/blue wire goes to the battery I had to relocate due to lack of space.

Ok that’s it, I’m curious. Will buy the parts soon and give it a spin. Still saying that webCoRE is absolutely the one of the main reasons why I am still here.

Truthfully speaking, I want to do this as a business but ST was way too unreliable. Seems like HA is where it’s at. Let me get my feet wet. I’m excited!

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If what you mean is to setup automated homes for 3rd parties, I think you would go bankrupt just supporting your customers with either platform, probably even more so with HA (way more complex). Unless you lock things down tightly, keeps things relatively simple & fool proof, and charge Control4 (just an example of pro home automation) prices to do anything :wink: I had thought about it urged by friends but I see no way to make money if the support burden per customer is anything close to what I was experiencing on my own home.

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On the last release post they announced that a new guy joined their team as a UX specialist (UX means User eXperience). The recent updates brought a lot of debug features to automations and scripts, and they are amazing. Any ST user would love it if ST would bring it in, but the UI is the biggest limitation here, and the CLI is over complicated for many user, where these features in HA are available for everyone out of the box.

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