It might be nice if ST Staff made a nice how-to video on how to host a smartapp on your own personal AWS instance. That way devs could still make apps, share the code and the the individual could decide whether they wanted to pay to host it or not. But maybe I’m over simplifying how this could be done…
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Hubitat - local processing of all of my custom Groovy code.
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I sure hope not. If that is the case then there better be a way to at least support the sensors with another hub.
All of the SmartThings brand sensors Except for the dual logo SmartThings ADT sensors are certified to either the ZHA or Zigbee 3.0 profiles depending on the model number. They should work with any certified Zigbee hub that can handle those profiles. That would include Hubitat, Amazon Echo Plus, Zipato, maybe the new devolo hub. Security systems are more complicated because they sometimes lock down the models they will work with for reliability reasons, but I believe they will also work with abode.
The ADT dual logo sensors won’t work with anything else, though. so as always, the first rule of home automation applies: “the model number matters.“
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That’d be the minimal solution. I think they should just reverse their decision if enough public outcry comes of it.
I don’t really see hubitat as an alternative because the UI is trash, sorry.
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They’ve spent years at this point developing a whole new ecosystem and development environment that supposedly scales better for their 65 million users. They aren’t going to reverse course. Nobody should be surprised that there had to be an end to the dual ecosystems at some point IMO. I’m honestly surprised it’s lasted this long.
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SharpTools now works with hubitat and is quite a nice UI.
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If they provide a migration tool or guide to host your own DTHs and SmartApps on AWS then I won’t complain. If they break compatibility completely though I’m done with ST.
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Well I never got told this in the update notes!! If it hadn’t come up in this thread as a side-comment I’d have gone on believing it was impossible lol. Now I can get rid of some virtual switches.
Every now and then I think about going to hubitat but something is niggling at the back of my radar about it. I think I bristled when I learned that something so supposedly user-controllable didn’t allow you to give it a device-fixed lan IP. I know ST doesn’t either but we know that’s a bit proprietory and cloudy. But Hue does so it can be done! Basically I am thinking what other little details about Hubitat are likely to stymie someone who wants control over their smart home system?
That would be helpful, I think the ongoing cost (and not really knowing what it would be) will put people off.
Are there any free alternatives that you could host a smart app on? I think the idea of an ongoing cost will put people off (even if that cost is small)
Will externally hosted smartapps/dth still be able to control lan devices? (does the api bridge the internet / lan - e.g can i make web requests to a 192.* address from my own hosted smart app via the hub?)
Any examples would be useful, along with recommendations where to host for free (i’m thinking more of the community developed items)
You’re not the only one in this situation. I have been holding off developing my smarthome further for well over a year now. Much of my automation happens on webcore, but I don’t want to invest more time in creating further complex automations that will just have to be rebuilt when the new webcore goes live (whenever that is).
I’m getting frustrated and bored waiting for Samsung to sort this ‘migration’. In reality, it’s a mess.
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I will see how this goes, if it breaks anything or I lose functions or devices, I will jump ship but I feel if samsung pull this off it could be amazing so I’m holding off for now. Currently I have never used the new app.
Currently I’m at 228 devices but only 64 (28%) are local
I will, most likely, end up migrating all my 100+ devices to my Hubitat’s local processing hub before I have to upgrade my legacy ST hub (that is working just fine), all my custom SmartApps’ and DTH’s, WebCore terrific automations, Echo Speaks integration, and local Raspberry Pi proxy server add-ons…
I understand and appreciate SmartThings stated new platform direction even though issued without any dates… But, for me, this ‘significant upgrade’ with the possibility of having to purchase a new hub, migrate, struggle with missing integrations and capabilities, is a ‘Bridge Too Far’ for me to learn and follow Samsung’s complicated new developers path. I still remember the difficulty I and so many others encountered with ST’s platform frequent stability issues, and I cannot go through that again as thousands of users start their legacy platform forced migrations! Too painful…
I am/was a dedicated SmartThings developer and user from the very beginning of SmartThings. I purchased many of their branded zigbee devices to help provide revenue to their bottom line. But like other tech companies that offered massive changes before their eventual demise (e.g Blackberry, Palm, etc), I am not going down a one-way street if I can find a better alternative.
Hopefully, SmartThings can navigate this significant upgrade for their legacy users and provide a robust environment.
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Smartthings doesn’t generate any money, yet the cloud systems are costing the company a ridiculous amount of cash.
Looks like its been a nice way to learn a bit about HA, but it’s done.
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They could’ve saved a lot of hassle by having the documentation available beforehand before this announcement but I guess samsung isn’t that together.
If they’re scaling down hardware also does that mean promised products like the access, air, and cam 360 are all cancelled too?
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It was quite a nice little system, and I liked their neat buttons and sensors. Pity they were not proving a commercial success on the scale they wanted!
What about webCoRE? What about Alarm Server? I can deal with migrating over to the New App for the most part but there are certain Custom Apps and DTHs that I just can’t live without. It would be simple enough, I guess to just run those on Hubitat but… PLEASE DON’T FORCE ME TO USE THE NEW RULE ENGINE!!!
I promise I’ve tried and tried but it’s just a pain. I like being specific and keeping things all in one rule set. Here’s the latest rule set I tried using the “New App” but I gave up after testing and testing and things not working right. Works perfect in webCoRE.
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So there you have it @SmartThings, another developer gone. I understand you’re trying to improve the system but there’s got to be a better a better way to do this where you’re including and supporting more community development.
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So they stopping making plugs buttons multi sensors?