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[Alpha] Lutron Connected Bulb Remote

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(Ryan Johnson) #112

Hey workmonk it seems like you obviously know what you are talking about here and maybe you can help me out. I purchased the Lutron LZL-4B-WH-L01 remote on a whim hoping it would work with my setup. I only have the SmartThings hub ecosystem with one Cree LED Bulb in a lamp, and another OSRAM Recessed RGB LED in the cieling. Is it possible for this remote to turn off and on both those lights with proper reporting to ST? I’m okay with having to refresh the bulbs in ST after using it if need be, so long as the functionality remains the same. If it is possible can you point me in the right direction to getting it set up?


#113

Our integration for the remote is not complete yet (zigbee group support). You can control your Cree (ZLL) with the setup mentioned above, but not Osram (ZHA) bulbs. Osram in US is not ZLL and wont talk to the remote


(Rishi Sanyal) #114

Hi workmonk and Scott and everyone: something broke with the recent updates. Months ago I had my GE Link bulbs all paired to ST (v2), then paired the Lutron Connected Bulb remote to ST (I installed workmonk’ device handler - which was necessary for proper function), then paired each individual bulb to the remote, within working distance from the ST hub itself.

This allowed the remote to pair with the bulb without stealing it. If the bulb was too far from the hub, the remote would steal it. If I didn’t first pair the remote to the hub, it’d steal it. If I didn’t install the device handler first, it would also steal it.

But after the hub update of recent, this no longer works reliably because the Lutron remote, using this procedure, now seems to be very random about which bulbs it pairs to, and when. Sometimes it pairs with a particular bulb, and many times it doesn’t.

When the procedure fails: the bulb flashes, the green light on the remote flashes, but instead of the remote LED flashing flashing flashing then turning off, it flashes flashes flashes then stays constant for 3s before turning off.

I’ve tried everything: resetting remote, bulbs, etc. Note that all bulbs are within 10ft or so of the ST hub.

Very frustrating that the method I had working (albeit it felt a bit like a hack) now stopped working :frowning: Frankly, I’m a little surprised the Lutron Remote is still not supported officially- it’s the best option for physical switches right now in my opinion, and smart bulbs without physical switches was one of the silliest ideas of smart tech :slight_smile:

Any help would be really appreciated, so thank you in advance!!

Best wishes,
Rishi


(Rishi Sanyal) #117

What’s odd is the random-esque behavior. Previously I was able to pair bulb X to the remote when it was the first bulb I paired to it, but if I pair bulb Y to the remote first, I can’t pair bulb X.

UPDATE: Confirmed that the behavior just appears random. I moved bulb X to the location of bulb Z, which itself paired just fine, but when trying to pair bulb X in bulb Z’s location, it failed, so I don’t think it’s a location thing. And of course I don’t think it’s a bulb thing either since bulb X paired fine when it was the first bulb I paired.

But, now I tried pairing bulb X in bulb Z’s position 3 times, and on the 3rd try, it worked. The green LED on the remote didn’t go constant for 3s before stopping to flash, and it works.

So it seems very random! Any ideas?

To sum up my use case: I want 6 GE Link BR30 recessed lights to be controllable in my theater with the Lutron remote on the wall (I removed the wall switch and wired this circuit to be always on), but also ‘smart’ so I can control the bulbs with voice using Amazon Echo, or turn on or off when motion stops, etc.

That is, I want the smart properties of these bulbs along with Lutron remote control. Which is why I chose ST over Lutron Caseta (hooked up to Amazon Echo).

Seems like it should be a common use case: you don’t want smart bulbs to become just to use a physical remote, and you don’t want smart bulbs to remain smart only if you don’t them with a physical switch :slight_smile:

Many thanks in advance,
Rishi


(K H) #118

Hi, I am a newbie. I am trying to install the Alpha handler. I read the FAQs but I do not see that handler in the repo update from smarthingspublic(master). Can anyone help?


#119

Since it’s still an alpha release, I believe you need to get the code from the github link in the first post of this thread. It’s not in the official repo yet.

You probably already know all this, but just in case, here’s the overview FAQ of how to install custom code to your account:


#120

Got remote today. But anything I do, it won’t pair to ST hub. Hub just don’t see it. Pairs with GE bulb just fine. Any idea?


(K H) #121

Thank you. I now understand the basic procedure. But the code and specifics I need to change are over my head. :(. And to think I spent 8yrs in my early life as an application programmer. I will have to do more reading and research.


#122

Any hints how to pair remote to ST ? ST just don’t see it, Now new “things” appears, nothing in the log… I’ve got two remotes , both acts the same…


(Ebyro) #123

Any updates here? I’d like to switch from wink to smartthings but only if the lutron remotes are fully supported.


(Rishi Sanyal) #125

murzik - Have you tried installing the custom code from workmonk first? I needed to do that to get the remote to pair to ST.

Furthermore, I usually have better luck if I try to pair the remote after hitting 'connect new thing* in the ST app… as ST is searching, essentially. Don’t if that’s absolutely true or not, but it may help. That’s what you have to do to get the Lutron remote to pair with the Hue Bridge by the way - the Hue Bridge must be looking for its own Hue remote as you try pair the Lutron remote.

And to echo many others’ comments here: where is ST support for the Lutron remote? It’s the only elegant remote solution that mounts to traditional wall plate - direct support in ST would be very nice. Whenever my ST hub loses power for more than 15 minutes, which forces Zigbee devices to ‘panic’, I lose my entire setup because my lights are far from the hub (I had to pair the lights to the hub, the remote to the hub, then the remote to the lights - all in near vicinity of one another… so when I then moved my hub away again, ‘panic’ causes it all to fall apart).

Official support of the remote, with the ability to program states or associate with bulbs, would be really nice!

Thanks,
Rishi


(Eric) #126

I’ve read through this thread and I just want to make sure I understand.

I can pair this remote with ST, which I have done after installing the device handler.

Here is what I want you guys to validate for me…

I can or cannot just use something like CoRE with this to control LIFX bulbs, right?

When I press buttons on the remote (after it has been paired) I don’t see anything in the logs for the remote.

Thanks.


#127

Hey man. After you pair the remote with ST, you then have to manually pair the remote with the bulbs. Information on how to do this second step are located at http://www.lutron.com/en-US/Products/Pages/Components/ConnectedBulbRemoteControl/Overview.aspx

Hope this helps.


#128

Unfortunately that particular method is Not applicable in this case, as the OP was specifically asking about LIFX bulbs, which do not use the ZLL protocol.

One of the great strengths of SmartThings is that it is a multiprotocol platform. That’s why you can push a button on a Z wave device, like a minimote, and have a zigbee lightbulb come on. Or a LIFX bulb or a striimlight Wi-Fi bulb. Or a group containing one of each.

But in order to do that, each device has to be able to communicate with your SmartThings account, either via the SmartThings hub or cloud to cloud.

And a device where you can push a button and have it send a message to the hub rather than trying to communicate directly to another device has to be able to be set up as what SmartThings calls a “button controller.” The minimote can. So can an Osram Lightify Smart Switch Cover, a SmartenIT 3 toggle, a Devolo battery switch, and several other devices.

But unfortunately, so far at least, not the particular device that this thread is about, the Lutron connected bulb remote. Or it least it won’t stay connected.

The method at the link that you gave is for setting up the Lutron to speak directly to other devices of the same protocol, in this case ZLL. That works fine, although SmartThings won’t know what the status of the end devices are until it polls them. But it won’t let pushing a button on this device control a bulb of a different protocol like LIFX.

The following thread includes the current devices that can act as button controllers for SmartThings, plus some that would just act as a parallel means of control:


#129

Bummer. Sorry @whoismoses At least you have a solid answer now. Thanks @JDRoberts for setting it straight.


(Eric) #130

Thanks to both you guys for posting. I already returned the remote.


(Jeff Johnson) #131

Just out of curiosity, if its looking to be paired with a bulb, couldn’t that be faked? I guess the simplest solution would be to actually get a smart bulb and have ST monitor the state and trigger off that (I’m sure a motivated individual could rip a bulb apart and strip it down so its not using a significant amount of energy - but that’d be a waste)… but (having not actually tried any of this), if it pairs with a GE bulb… I dunno, in my mind I feel like it ought(aught?) to be possible to trick it by simulating the pairing process (I know, sounds like I just got through watching ‘hackers’…)

I guess the question is, when the remote pairs with a bulb, is what’s communicated the same as what would be communicated between the hub and the bulb - and can that be faked? And what about the arduino shield? Can you pair the remote with the shield? (probly not…)

just rambling now…


#132

You could possibly use a bulb as a stand-in, similar to how a canary bulb used in the power outage smart app.

The problem is that a zigbee device can only belong to one coordinator. So you would have to have the bulb and the remote both on the smartthings network, and I’m afraid you would then have the same problem with the remote dropping off all the time. At that point I don’t think it can still control the bulb.

You can definitely have a device respond as though it is a bulb, which is basically what the Wink hub does with this device, but smartthings would have to modify the hub’s firmware to do that, and I think that’s very unlikely.

So good ideas, but I’m not sure they’d actually work in practice. Well, I’m sure that modifying the hub’s responses would work, it just doesn’t seem like that’s something smartthings is going to do or they would’ve done it already.


(Jeff Johnson) #133

Well… I do have a ‘rooted’ wink hub and the API key too… which might get me a bit of a hacky solution, but if it helps anyone else, I’m game to fiddle - I switched to ST and only really keep it around to control the 2 lutron dimmers I have - one wall switch and one plugin. Man though, their controls are so much sexier than anything else… I like that aeon tech wall ‘button’ but needing the microswitch behind hit kills it for me (or at least for my more immediate interests). shakes fist in the air

Ohhh patents, copyrights and trademarks… we could have so much more fun…


(Jason) #134

Finally! I finally got around to applying this process to my ST in order to operate my GE Link and Cree Connected bulbs with my Lutron Connected switch. For the better part of a year, I have been operating a Wink Hub JUST for these bulbs :open_mouth: It did take me a little while mainly because I had a difficult time disassociating the Cree Connected bulbs in order to connect with my ST hub. Unlike the GE Link bulbs, you have to “remove” them from the Wink hub. The GE bulbs can be reset without the Wink hub. Anyway, I just wanted to share this and very quickly what I did to get all of this to work.

First of all, I used the code posted in the beginning of this string by ‘workmonk’. Great job and thank you workmonk. Second, I have to stress that folks who use this forum, especially for these types of things are NOT experts. I do consider myself an intelligent person however, I as with many others on here do not spend most of their time with this. With that being said, Sticks18 (Scott G), although I greatly appreciate your contribution, please try and keep your additions to various strings to a novice level. I am not trying to criticize, but your posts slowed me down quite a bit simply trying to decipher them. Just a little word of advise.

So, I navigated to my profile on https://graph.api.smartthings.com/, clicked on “My Device Handlers”, clicked the green “+ Create New Device Handler” button, chose “From Code”, pasted in the code from workmonk, clicked “create” at the bottom of the screen. On the subsequent screen, I clicked “save” and then “publish…to me”. Once I received a published successfully message, I then added the Lutron Connected switch to my ST hub and associated it with the Device Handler after clicking on “Configure Device”. Also under the “Configure Device” step, I associated the switch with the bulb I wanted it to operate. You can add another Lutron Switch if you need to, renaming it and associating it to a different bulb.

Yes, it was that easy. Thank you to everyone who contributed to this forum string!!