2 doors open (not 1) triggers immediate Echo/Google voice warning?

[Eduardo]

Hi all, 1st post so please excuse if the answer to my question is buried in a post elsewhere, but searches have turned up nothing.

Problem: We have a new kitten and two kids, 10 and 8. Cat will be indoor only. Kids tend to leave doors open occasionally because...kids. We have a mudroom that separates the kitchen from outside, so we have a two door redundancy, which is good. I want to use ST multisensors at each of those two doors to trigger an immediate (local, non-cloud based, optimally) continuous "Doors open!" or similar voice warning from Alexa or Google Home when BOTH doors are open rather than either one.

Thoughts behind my proposed required solution:
1) Individual 90-120 db door alarms are clearly not the solution, but it is sometimes worth stating the obvious.
2) A voice warning that triggers when either (rather than both) of the doors are open will be extremely annoying and will be disregarded over a very short time due to continuous warnings. If the continuous voice warning is immediate (local) and triggered only by both doors being open, the warning will not likely be ignored over time.
3) Voice is more pleasant that alarm, without loss of urgency.

Advanced thanks to anyone and everyone who can help with this one!

[bridaus]

Research CoRE app. It will do what you want.

[JDRoberts]

Core is probably your best bet to do what you described, but at present, all the voice recognition services that I know of, including echo, are themselves cloud-based. Even Siri on your phone. That's because voice recognition is extremely complex and requires very high-powered processing. So that gets done in the cloud.

On the other hand, if you just want text to speech announcements, those can be pre-recorded and played locally. But then SmartThings isn't going to run local either, so I don't think your idea of local processing is going to work if you're looking for a SmartThings – based solution. (For example, core runs in the cloud, not locally.)

There are some sensor-based systems designed for people with Alzheimer's which can do what you want, but they wouldn't be part of SmartThings.

[JDRoberts]

I also wanted to mention that Mike Maxwell has an excellent smartapp which can combine multiple SmartThings sensors into one zone. He wrote it to solve the problem of too many false alarms from motion sensors, but it can also be used for the kind of use case you're describing, where you want two doors open to trigger an event, but not just one.

Once you use his zone manager, you now have a zone device available it smartthings which you can use with any other routines are smart lighting or core or whatever.

Again, though, it's not going to run local. It's going to run in the smartthings cloud. ( at present, all custom code runs in the cloud)

If you haven't used custom code with SmartThings before, it's pretty straightforward. Basically you copy the author's code and paste it into your own account. Here's the FAQ for that:

FAQ: An Overview of Using Custom Code in SmartThings

So you're new to SmartThings, you asked a question, and someone suggested "custom code" as an answer. Or you were browsing the forums, and you found something that sounded like it would be perfect for what you wanted, but again, "uses custom code." What does that mean, how hard is it to do, and what's the difference between a "SmartApp" and a "Device Type Handler"? (Note: the official terminology has changed a couple of times. "device type handler," "device handler," "DTH," and "device type" all mean the same thing, and you will find all these terms used in the forums.) SECTION I: SMARTAPPS AND DEVICE HANDLERS: WHAT THEY ARE SmartAPPS: Tiny Programs to decide what a specific device should do when, or to collect the information from a specific device SmartApps, including the var…

Then if you decide that something you'd like to try, here's the other thread for the zone manager

Smart Zone motion detector (Zone Motion Manager) 2.1.0 release

I built this to solve a number of motion related issues. --Reduction of false motion events in exterior applications (False Motion Reduction) --Represent a group of detectors with a single virtual detector (Motion Aggregation) --Enable a Motion Aggregation zone from various devices, switches, contacts ect (Triggered Activation) This is a parent/child application (like Smart Lighting) where the motion zones are created and edited from the parent application. When a new virtual zone is created, a virtual motion sensor is created for that zone. This virtual motion detector represents the states of the physical motion detectors that you configured for that zone. You can then use that virtual zone device in any applications that accept motion devices. [image] [image] [image] Three co…

So zone manager solves the first part of the puzzle: how to get two sensors to be treated as one zone in SmartThings.

What You do next depends on exactly what you're trying to accomplish.

You could definitely use one of the regular door chime methods to have a voice alert play once. I'm not sure how many times it would repeat, though. Anyway, here's the information on that:

http://thingsthataresmart.wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Set_Up_a_Door_Open_Chime/Siren

Also, just in case you haven't read about core previously, it's a very powerful community created rules engine for SmartThings. You can definitely do things like repeat and have stacked conditionals and all that. You also wouldn't necessarily need the zone manager code because Core itself can look at the two different sensors. The only issue with it is it can be quite complicated to set up.

There are two threads on core that you would need if you want to use it.

The first is a peer assistance thread. That's where you can get help setting up your rules. (Core calls and individual rule a "piston")

CoRE - Get peer assistance here with setting up Pistons

Welcome to the CoRE Logic Thread. Here you will find many community members that are more than willing to help you with the Logic and Programming of your Pistons. **There will be another thread for "How are you using CoRE?" and "How are you using the CoRE/AskAlexa integration?". So, this is the place to ask your questions and the place to get the answers.

The second is the authors thread where you would get the Core code:

[RELEASE CANDIDATE] CoRE (Community's own Rule Engine)

Continuing in the BETA process of CoRE (milestone 1 topic here and milestone 2 topic here), we've now moved to RELEASE CANDIDATE. This is the last step before a full release and it's going to focus on taking CoRE through the publishing process, making all necessary changes to make it compliant with SmartThings's requirements. While necessary additions will occur here and there, adding features is NOT the main focus of this RC stage. WARNING: As mentioned before, this SmartApp is in a BETA development stage and may be quirky. It may also change rapidly and drastically, involving a full reset of the app in order to upgrade. It is not recommend to install this SmartApp in a "production" environment, but we encourage people to try it out. Official wiki is here. It's still a work in progr…

[Eduardo]

Thanks for the phenomenal drill-down response, JD. Much appreciated. I didn't expect all of my wish-list boxes to be checked off and not surprised that local Echo/Google response is not in the cards (although I'll look into text-to-speech, which may get me where I want to be). The local response is highly preferred because a cat isn't going to patiently wait the two and a half seconds for the cloud-based response to come through while the doors remain open, lol. But you and Brian introduced me to the apparent rabbit hole of Core. I look forward to jumping down it.

Cheers!

[bamarayne]

Not sure if you found a solution, but this might help you out.

[RELEASE] EchoSistant Version 2.0 - Use Alexa as free-form text

Announcing version 2.0.0 of Echosistant Lambda code updated to 3.0 Find detailed information here, as well as the install source files: http://thingsthataresmart.wiki/index.php?title=EchoSistant Authors: @bamarayne @SBDOBRESCU PLEASE NOTE: This version is a complete overhaul of EchoSistant. It will require you to uninstall your previous install and start over. We apologize for this inconvenience. You DO NOT need to rebuild your Lambda function or your AWS Skills. You will need to perform the following: Uninstall EchoSistant Version 1.2 Install EchoSistant Version 2.0 Rebuild Profiles. Update Lambda file to Version 3.0 Update AWS Skill Intent and Utterance files This smart app is achieving maturity and updates will slow down in frequency. We are always open to innova…

[Snakedog116]

Hi,

I have a slightly different situation but could the solved in the same way. I have a cheap garage door sensor that sometimes says the door is open when it isn't. I bought a second sensor to replace it with, and it has the same issue. (Not sure if it's because it's cold, or too far from the hub etc.

Anyways, what I'm hoping for is a virtual device that groups the two sensors together. Similar to the Simulated Presence Sensor (for presence sensors) but for the door sensors. Does anyone know where I could find such a device type?